Timeline for Is it unusual for a small company (15 developers) not to use managed source/version control? [closed]
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| S Aug 11, 2014 at 13:14 | history | notice added | Thomas Owens♦ | Historical significance | |
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| Aug 11, 2014 at 13:14 | history | closed | Thomas Owens♦ | Opinion-based | |
| May 6, 2014 at 7:16 | comment | added | mkalkov | Just for the record, there may be valid reasons to force customers to take new versions if all they want are bug fixes. This is achieved through the use of feature toggles and one track software development methodology. | |
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| Oct 17, 2012 at 21:33 | history | protected | Arseni Mourzenko | ||
| Oct 14, 2012 at 15:04 | comment | added | Gavin Howden | We have a third of that resource, and have a significant investment in isolated development environments/servers, source control and continuous integration. I am glad you are winning your case! Software development can be hard enough without the deployment getting confused. | |
| Oct 14, 2012 at 14:44 | comment | added | Louis Kottmann | 15 devs is hardly a small shop. | |
| Oct 14, 2012 at 14:28 | comment | added | gbjbaanb | @LordScree - unfortunately TFS is not a good choice of SCM at all. When I started using it, thought "well, its ok", but after a while I found why Fowler's surveyees consider it dangerous. It is. Choose SVN or git or Mercurial, not TFS. martinfowler.com/bliki/VcsSurvey.html (FYI the reason I think its dangerous is that if you do anything outside of VS then TFS won't recognise the changes - you can use a tool to re-gen a file for example and TFS will happily ignore those changes) | |
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| Oct 14, 2012 at 12:23 | answer | added | mmf | timeline score: 2 | |
| Oct 2, 2012 at 20:26 | comment | added | Newtopian | Even though electricity has been invented a long while ago and is pervasive in our every day lives some people still choose to work at candle light scribbling code on a waxed board using a pointy stick. | |
| Oct 2, 2012 at 15:02 | comment | added | Tim | Developers not using source control is equivalent to surgeons not washing their hands or using dirty utensils to operate. It is professionally incompetent and there is no excuse for that kind of malpractice. | |
| Oct 2, 2012 at 13:58 | history | edited | m-smith | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 2, 2012 at 13:57 | comment | added | m-smith | UPDATE (Nearly a year after I asked this question): Over the course of the last year, I've campaigned and cajoled and begged and wheedled until I got to the point where I damn near got myself fired for insubordination a few times. I'm pleased to say that the company in question is now finally taking a serious look at source control, with a view to implement TFS after a trial period of a month or so while we ensure all the developers are happy with the new processes. It was largely the positive response I got from this question at programmers.SE that gave me the confidence to pursue it. Cheers. | |
| Oct 2, 2012 at 12:04 | history | edited | m-smith | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 11, 2011 at 0:14 | comment | added | Niklas Rosencrantz | I have 2 hobby projects that I'm the sole developer on. Of course I'll add source control. Not to mention my larger projects, where collaboration sometimes stops for hours since we have to learn the versioning system, but we never lost a change in any file and these projects have been going for years. If nothing else, using source control is a good insurance for your peace of mind. And yes, all companies in modern times I worked with used source control. If they don't, I find projects that do. | |
| Oct 7, 2011 at 12:29 | comment | added | user8709 | @Cameron - basically, SourceSafe wouldn't let me access past versions of code that I had written because of permission issues, there was never anything like Blame, and I don't even remember being able to access a log of commit comments. There were only a few minor advantages to it over the shared folder. One reason that versioning was so unpopular in the past was that it was so often configured in a way for managers to mark their territory, while blocking the coders from doing their jobs. | |
| Oct 7, 2011 at 12:25 | comment | added | user8709 | @Cameron - in some situations, yes. In one place I worked, we just had a shared folder. The main source control method was "we all just know who's working on what". This was about 10 years ago, BTW. To revert an old version, we just asked for the backup to be restored for the relevant time - no good for a recovering a change first developed an hour ago, but fine for things like the last release version. We switched to Visual SourceSafe at some point not long before I left, and that was IMO a mistake - an improvement over what we had, but SourceSafe was dire, at least how it was set up there. | |
| Oct 7, 2011 at 9:19 | comment | added | Cameron MacFarland | So how do you revert a change? Is it possible? Can you see the change history of a given file? What about merging changes? shudder | |
| Oct 7, 2011 at 0:23 | answer | added | radarbob | timeline score: 3 | |
| Oct 5, 2011 at 22:02 | comment | added | John Fisher | It sounds like they're not very far from working with a DVCS like Mercurial. The people who drag their feet could still be "using" Mercurial if the existing folder were actually made into a repository. From their perspective it would look almost the same, and you could commit the changes if they didn't. | |
| Oct 5, 2011 at 21:11 | answer | added | Sarel Botha | timeline score: 5 | |
| Oct 5, 2011 at 19:45 | comment | added | user2528 | Thats painful. But theres no reason YOU cant use source control. I'd have a local repo and a bare on the network if i could. The only thing you'll need to remember is manually make a copy of the file you copy in. When you make changes and they make changes; you can use that base file you can easily merge your work with theirs and hit save ;) | |
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