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From my understanding the default Python interpreter(CPython) compiles source code into bytecode and then interprets the bytecode into machine code. PyPy on the other hand makes use of JIT to optimize often interpreted bytecode into compiled machine code. How is this different then the JVM? The JVM is an interpreter + compiler. It compiles source code to bytecode and then optimizes the often interpreted bytecode into compiled machine code. Is there any other difference?

  • The bytecode and the underlying abstract VM are widely different. – Basile Starynkevitch Jun 2 '15 at 5:17
  • So the concept is the same but the implementation is different? – BubbleTree Jun 2 '15 at 5:23
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There are two major differences between the two.

First: the JVM is abstract, PyPy is concrete. The JVM is a specification, a piece of paper. PyPy is an implementation, a piece of code.

There are many different implementations of the JVM which work very differently. Some only interpret the JVM byte code, some only compile it statically ahead-of-time, some only compile it dynamically just-in-time, some have both an interpreter and a JIT compiler, some have an interpreter and multiple JIT compilers, some have no interpreter and only one JIT compiler, some have no interpreter and multiple JIT compilers. Some have tracing JITs, some have method-at-a-time JITs, some have both. Some have native threads, some have green threads. Some have tracing garbage collectors, some have reference counting garbage collectors. And so on and so forth.

Second: PyPy is more general. It is not an implementation of a specific language, it is a framework for easily creating efficient language implementations. There are a lot of different language implementations built using the PyPy framework, there's Topaz (an implementation of Ruby), HippyVM (an implementation of PHP), Pyrolog (Prolog), RSqueak (a Squeak VM), PyGirl (a GameBoy emulator), langjs (JavaScript), and also implementations of Io and Scheme. And of course also an implementation of Python.

Since you asked specifically about the compilers, there is a very important distinction between PyPy's JIT and the JIT compilers of other mixed-mode engines. In a typical mixed-mode engine (e.g. Oracle HotSpot JVM, IBM J9 JVM, Rubinius, Apple Squirrelfish FX, …), the interpreter and the compiler run side-by-side and process the same program. The interpreter starts off, interpreting the program, and once it has been determined that it would be beneficial to compile (parts of) the program, the program gets handed off to the compiler and compiled.

In PyPy, however, the compiler doesn't compile the program that is interpreted by the interpreter. It compiles the interpreter itself as it is interpreting the program!

Now, why would you do something like this? Think about what this means: if you JIT compile the interpreter while it is interpreting the program, what you end up with, is a specialized version of the interpreter which can only interpret that one program, all together compiled to native code. But, an interpreter which can only interpret one single program is indistinguishable from that program. So, in other words, you have just compiled that program without even knowing anything about that program!

This has to do with PyPy being intended as a framework: this way, you only need one JIT compiler and it works for all languages! The only thing you have to write if you want to implement a new language in the PyPy framework, is the interpreter. You get the JIT compiler "for free". And the interpreter can be very simple, it doesn't have to perform any aggressive optimizations or so, because the JIT compiler is quite good. (For example, HippyVM, the PHP implementation using PyPy, is almost 8 times faster than the Zend Engine (the standard PHP implementation) and twice as fast as Facebook's aggressively optimized high-performance PHP implementation HHVM.)

  • ain't VM being abstract and JVM concrete. JVM sounds very concrete to me, a virtual machine that interprets Java bytecode. Yes, there are different JVM implementations, but still it doesn't make it less concrete, does it? – denis631 Jan 22 at 12:34
  • When you are talking about PyPy compiling the interpreter itself you are talking about the idea of partial evaluation right? and links or references? – denis631 Jan 22 at 12:37
  • @denis631: The JVM is a piece of paper that first needs to be turned into a piece of software in order to do anything useful. The PyPy VM is a piece of software already, so it is one step more concrete than the JVM. – Jörg W Mittag Jan 25 at 19:46
  • @denis631: PyPy originally intended to do partial evaluation, and I believe there are papers about that. But, they went away from partial evaluation and used this idea of the meta-tracing JIT instead, i.e. a tracing JIT that does not trace the user code, but the interpreter that is interpreting the user code. There is a nice retrospective about the history of PyPy on the PyPy blog which discusses this. Most PyPy-related papers are also linked somewhere on the PyPy website. – Jörg W Mittag Jan 25 at 19:47
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The concept is only similar in the broadest strokes. Yes, both interprets a simplified program representation called bytecode and compile parts of that to optimized machine code, but that's there is stops. For starters, "JVM" is a catch-all term for all implementations of a standard. There is only one PyPy. There is no one JVM.

In addition, the compilation is done rather differently. Most JVMs are so-called method JIT compilers, that is they compile and optimize individual methods (modulo inlining). PyPy is a so-called tracing JIT, it compiles a part of the dynamic execution of the program, i.e., it follows the control flow wherever it takes us, be it through fifty different methods or covering only one small part of a larger method.

  • Another, even more important difference, is that most JVMs (maybe with the exception of Maxine) JIT compile the user program, whereas PyPy JIT compiles the interpreter while it interprets the user program. That's how PyPy can have a JIT compiler for all languages without having to write a JIT compiler. – Jörg W Mittag Mar 23 '18 at 1:12

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